联合国艾滋病规划署中国亲善大使周柳建成访谈


联合国艾滋病规划署中国亲善大使周柳建成访谈

 
 
 
 
 

联合国艾滋病规划署中国亲善大使周柳建成访谈

2009年08月19日14:44

来源:搜狐公益
 
 
 
联合国艾滋病规划署中国亲善大使周柳建成访谈
联合国艾滋病规划署中国亲善大使周柳建成访谈


联合国艾滋病规划署中国亲善大使周柳建成做客搜狐公益
联合国艾滋病规划署中国亲善大使周柳建成做客搜狐公益

  主持人:各位网友大家好,欢迎收看搜狐公益的嘉宾访谈节目,今天做客我们嘉宾访谈室的有三位嘉宾,一位是刚被任命为联合国艾滋病规划署中国亲善大使的周柳建成先生,他同时也是CCTV9的主持人。

 
 

  周柳建成:大家好。

  主持人:这位是联合国艾滋病规划署助理项目官员李琦小姐。

  李琦:大家好。

  主持人:另一位是已经跟艾滋病抗争了十年之久的洪丹丹女士,由于目前对艾滋病的歧视还广泛存在,所以今天丹丹将不面对镜头,丹丹也跟大家打一声招呼吧。

  洪丹丹:大家好。

  几位一直都在努力消除针对艾滋病的歧视。先问一下建成,什么时候开始关注艾滋病的?

  周柳建成:首先我非常感谢搜狐给我们这个机会。我对艾滋病方面的关注是几年前,我是一个记者,由于工作的原因,参与了非典的报道,然后是禽流感的报道,之后对艾滋病方面的报道,这几种疾病共同的一个特征就是,它涉及到很多我们社会普通的大众。我们对人的关注,使我开始对疾病的关注。在艾滋病之前也有很多其他的疾病,癌症、结核这些疾病,人们都非常害怕疾病,恐惧致死的疾病,但是艾滋病不同的是,除了疾病本身给人们带来身体上的痛苦之外,还被人们认为是一种肮脏的疾病,它是持有很强烈的耻辱感。这些使我深刻的觉得我一定要做一些什么,但是我不是医生,不是研究人员,我不能提供治疗,不能做疫苗,但是我有我的优势,就是我可以向人们传达信息,把我知道的信息传递给大家,让大家更好的了解。

  主持人:丹丹在感染艾滋病毒以后,曾经有一段时间厌世、绝望。是什么原因使你由需要被别人关怀的人转变为关怀其他的艾滋病感染者的呢?

  洪丹丹:我当时查出感染了艾滋病以后,当时不仅厌世,而且对生活也失去了信心。把自己关在一间小房子里,就是等死的心态。后来通过所谓草根小组,NGO小组一次一次的给我打电话,让我加入各种活动,通过在这些活动中,我看到了其他感染者有一个好的心态。我在他们身上看到了特别阳光、积极向上的心理。从那时候开始,我已经慢慢的进入到了NGO小组。因为毕竟是别人拯救了我,我觉得别人能把我在最绝望的悬崖边缘拯救过来,我也可以去帮助其他的感染者。然后就参加了NGO小组的一些活动,并且最后成为骨干。成为骨干以后,我开始关心其他的感染者,比如说做一些阳性预防工作,做一些探访、关爱、随访,对这些感染者,就像我刚开始被感染时的心态,如果遇到这样的朋友,我会用各种方法与他们沟通。我自从参加这些小组以后,我也想把感染者良好的心态展示给社会所有的人,因为很多人都对这一块不是很了解,也参加了我们当地的由志愿者和感染者组成的艺术团。我们涉及的范围是到校园里面、机关里面、社区里面,我的目的就是想,把我所能知道的奉献给大家,让他们真正的去了解我们艾滋病的感染途径并且把感染者比较好的心态展示给大家。

主持人:建成在北京已经生活了六年?

周柳建成于艾滋病感染者做客搜狐公益
周柳建成于艾滋病感染者做客搜狐公益

 

  周柳建成:还有在香港,在中国一共是九、十年了。

  主持人:你之前是通过什么途径来了解中国的艾滋病感染情况的?

  周柳建成:我知道你觉得我是一个外国人,我在英国出生,我也是在英国长大。但是我感觉自己是中国人,所以我不觉得我是一个外国人,在中国住。现在我是一个主持人,以前我是一个记者,所以我倾向于出去,认识或者了解很多人,如果我不是一个记者,很多的东西我不知道。

 
 
跟你一样,我在媒体工作,有机会了解许多事情。还有作为一个主持人,我有机会采访别人。比如说有一个很出名的人,我要见他,我可能要准备好,打电话给他,跟他联系。所以对于艾滋病的情况,你每天在演播室接收到各处的信息,你肯定会有所了解。第二,一、两年前很多小孩子从河南、湖南、湖北,来到北京,我的朋友带他们来北京旅游,起先我不知道这些孩子有艾滋病,或者他父母有艾滋病,我们不问他。但是我的朋友知道,因为感染者他跟我们一样。他们是小孩子,所以我们跟他吃饭,陪他玩,不用说。但是我自己知道。

  主持人:在你的印象中,你觉得中国的艾滋病感染者他们面临的最大的问题是什么?

  周柳建成:中国和别的国家一样,艾滋病感染者有很多问题。但是我觉得最大的问题是歧视。如果你感觉不好,你去看医生,你做HIV病毒的采集,那个医生告诉我,对不起,先生,或者是太太,或者是小姐,你有艾滋病,你有HIV。你的第一感觉肯定是特别怕。但是不知道是哪一个人不一样,几天之后,几个月之后,几年之后,感觉好一点,因为医生告诉你,你可以吃一些药,可以有很多支持。那是第一个问题。但是我觉得那是比较小,最大的问题在世界,也在中国,是歧视。因为你知道你有HIV,你特别怕,为什么你怕?因为你怕你父母、你同事、你的同学知道后歧视你,我们在联合国,我们的很多朋友都知道这样的事例,丹丹可以告诉我们。

  主持人:丹丹,建成说他认为歧视是最大的问题,你也这么认为吗?

  洪丹丹:我认为在歧视这一块,我也有同感。因为我自己就经受过歧视。有一次在医院,我家人带我去医院看病。到医院以后,当时我们看得挺好的,看到一半的时候,我们从看病的屋里出来,家人说你稍等一下,我进去跟大夫说两句话。不知道他们说了什么,家人出来以后,就告诉我,咱们走吧,他们这里不给咱们看。我说你怎么给他们说的?他说我告诉他们你是艾滋病,然后他们就不给看了。

  主持人:你当时看的是其他的病?

  洪丹丹:对,当时我看的是感冒或者是其他的小病,不一定要到专科医院看的病。我刚刚查出患有艾滋病以后,我的家人在家里不愿意接纳我,现在是接纳我了。因为通过我说,和别人宣传,他们已经接受了。当时对我还是很歧视的,吃饭都要跟我分碗,分筷子,喝水我的水杯子上都要写着丹丹这两个字的。这是我亲身遇到的。还有我知道的确有其事、确有其人的。我一个朋友也是感染者,他的眼睛在春节的时候被鞭炮炸了,到北京同仁医院根本都不给看,一直拖了一个多月以后这个眼睛才真正得到治疗,最后这个眼睛就是瞎了,摘除了。在一个医院里面,也是我这方面的一个朋友,也是一个感染者,她是一个女性感染者。她在这个医院住院的时候,大夫就说,这是艾滋病人,你要上厕所去楼外上厕所,不要用楼内的卫生间。所以我觉得这个歧视很大的。这就是我所知道的和我所经历过的。到现在我不敢跟我儿子说我是艾滋病感染者。我不敢想象我儿子在知道我得艾滋病以后,他能否承受这种心理上的压力。如果有一天他承受不了,我怕,比如说人的精神压力如果过度的话,他有可能,不管是他对象、他的好朋友,他认为信得过的人说出来以后,这些人会离他而去,会孤立我的儿子。所以,我觉得在中国歧视这一块我深有体会。我并不是就歧视这一块去埋怨这些人,只能说老百姓对艾滋病方面的知识了解得还不够。

  主持人:建成怎么看丹丹遇到的这些事情?

  周柳建成:别人现在看不到,但是我可以看得到丹丹,我看得到你的脸,我要告诉大家,你非常漂亮,你非常有文化,你穿衣服那么好看。你是一个妈妈,你有孩子。所以,跟我们一样,比如说那个大夫他没有看到丹丹,他看到了艾滋病。但是我现在在演播室,我没有看出来你有艾滋病,我看到你。我要说特别感谢你今天来。因为我知道你是不容易、不简单。我特别希望,不知道是一年以后,或者十年之后,我们再录一个节目,我采访你,我们采访你。你有勇气,你不怕人看你的脸,我也不怕你,为什么我要怕你?我不用怕什么。如果以后你要出去吃饭,我请你吃饭。一起坐,一个盘子,也可以一套筷子,没有问题,一杯水。最重要的问题不是一起吃饭,或者是一起喝水,最重要的问题是我们可以做朋友。做朋友,以后一起吃饭。联合国在中国六个城市做了一个调查,很多人不愿意跟感染者一起吃饭,一起喝东西,一起住。还有,不要一起工作,如果感染者是理发师,也不要他理发。如果我可以,你们都可以。这不用怕。所以谢谢你,我知道不容易,你别哭了,我们现在在你的旁边,你有我们的手机电话,我们可以联系。

主持人:我们问一个轻松点的话题。建成作为联合国规划署的亲善大使,能给我们介绍一下你的主要职责是什么吗?

建成同时也是CCTV-9的主持人
建成同时也是CCTV-9的主持人

 

  周柳建成:我要帮助丹丹,帮助感染者。

  主持人:以什么形式?

  周柳建成:我要跟你,跟媒体朋友一起合作,特别跟搜狐,你们是第一个网络给我们的支持,所以特别感谢。要告诉老百姓,那个HIV需要怕,但是感染者你不用怕。这是分开的问题,这是两个意思。我是一个主持人,我也有给报纸写稿,如果可以,我会每个礼拜、每篇稿子里面都写。我用我所有的资源和能力,包括电视,包括我在给报纸撰稿的时候,能够无时无刻的不告诉我们社会广大的观众朋友们和我的读者,不要害怕艾滋病,不要害怕艾滋病毒的感染者。

 
 
如果我们还没有感染艾滋病,我们应该为我们自己,为别人负责,采取安全的预防的措施,我们应该采取预防。比如说使用安全套,无论是异性的性交还是同性的性交或者是口交都应该使用安全套作为保护,这是我们在社会中对自己、对他人的责任。如果真的有这样危险的行为,或者没有采取保护的措施,应该及时的去检测自己身体的状况。能够及时的纠正自己的行为,使用安全的措施。如果说一旦真的查出来是感染者,也要为自己负责,去为自己做一些什么,主动的寻找医生的帮助,去寻找咨询,很重要的就是和其他的感染者建立起联系,互相支持,看看他们经历过的一些生活状况,这对自己来说都是很大的鼓励。我们以前不了解,但是得了这个病之后,再认识其他同样经历的人,会使我们渐渐了解。所以我用电视节目,还有我的报纸,还有我的FACEBOOK,还有开心网,所以我知道搜狐很重要。大家都知道搜狐,所以以后我们还可以合作。每年的12月1日是世界艾滋病日,但是不是就12月1号,每天都是艾滋病日,因为每天6700人死了,每天全世界有75000个新增感染。所以,我不要说太多数字,因为那个数字是人,6700人,是6700孩子、男士、女士,他们都是妈妈、爸爸、孩子,姐妹、哥哥,你想这个,你不看那个号码,你看那个人。我现在是亲善大使,我以后可以去很多地方,在北京,我已经去印度、挪威、美国、印度尼西亚、越南看感染者。所以我希望我在中国可以做一样,跟丹丹有合作,我还有一个问题,如果你有问题,你可以打电话给我,因为我觉得你是很特别的,是我的新朋友。

  主持人:丹丹从你自己的体会来说,对建成的工作有什么建议吗?

  洪丹丹:我自己认为,刚才我们提到歧视这一块,我们做宣传的时候,不应该仅把6.26世界禁毒日和12.1艾滋病日作为宣传,平时就应该让大家都知道我们艾滋病的传染途径,让所有的老百姓都知道艾滋病就在你身边。我为此也自己创立了一个热线,解答和做心理支持等方面的热线。15210129433,洪丹丹。我希望将来有一些朋友在遇到歧视这一问题了,或者是心理上遇到不愉快的事或者高兴的事都可以给我打电话来一起分享。

  周柳建成:你也可以打电话给我。

  主持人:这个问题是问李琦的,你们在任命建成为亲善大使的时候,是不是考虑到他有主持人、媒体人的背景?

  李琦:这是一定的,我们觉得本身他有很好的工作、演讲的能力。艾滋病的知识和信息我们已经听到了一些,我们把它当成一个医学知识一样的去学习。但是在现在,面对这么多青少年、面对成年人的宣传工作,我们需要有更加互动的方式和需要有更多有亲和力的我们的亲善大使来完成这样的工作,因为我们知道如果医生来讲解这个,难免会把它讲得艰涩难懂一点,我们需要这些来自和大众更有亲和力的人来传达这样的信息。我们也特别需要我们这些感染者的朋友们,因为他们自己经历了所有的人生一切,让他们来讲述自己的经历。每次讲述对于观众来说,都是一个消除头脑中误解或者是根深蒂固的错误记忆的一个机会。以前可能很少有人说,观众们也可能没有听到丹丹今天讲解的时候,甚至不知道感染者在哪,或者觉得感染者在中国只是一个数字。

  周柳建成:我们的朋友现在都看不到丹丹,但是我们三个人,你知道谁有艾滋病?也可能你有,也可能我有,你不知道。

  李琦:这也是一个很重要的信息,大家说我们头脑里感染者的印象都是来自很早之前电视上拍摄的一些画面,我们留下了一些印象,这些印象使我们戴上了有色的眼镜去看我们身边的一些感染者朋友,但是当我们戴上有色眼镜对他们区别对待的时候,这些感染者的朋友有时候不会主动的告诉你,我是一个感染者。这就形成了一个恶性循环,我们越歧视感染者,感染者越不会走出来。感染者越不走出去,社会大众对艾滋病的误解就会越深。所以我们特别感谢很多的感染者,他们在克服了很多压力的情况下勇敢的走出来,使一个恶性的怪圈慢慢的打开。

  周柳建成:李琦说我在大陆是第一个亲善大使。所以我觉得很荣幸。但是最重要,我觉得联合国非常好,给我们很多支持。但是如果我们的媒体朋友不给我们这个平台说出来。我知道搜狐是非常重要,老百姓都知道的网站,他相信你们这个牌子,所以我们今天可以在你们的演播室说,我觉得是最好的。现在使我们走出去很重要的。都知道联合国有这个举动。你可以说我是一个亲善大使,但是,我是老百姓的代表,这是最重要的,我是丹丹的代表,是丹丹的朋友。

  主持人:这和我们大众更加接近,而不是高高在上说教的形式。

  周柳建成:对。

 主持人:丹丹你觉得呢?一位中央电视台的主持人,一位经常可以在电视上看到的人。他积极的参与艾滋病反歧视的活动。对你来说会有激励作用吗?

周柳建成和联合国艾滋病规划署李琦共同参与访谈
周柳建成和联合国艾滋病规划署李琦共同参与访谈

 

  洪丹丹:我觉得应该有。虽然说他说英语我听不懂。但是我觉得对于宣传这一块是很重要的。

  周柳建成:你可以帮我学中文吗?

  洪丹丹:可以。搜狐网络这一次能够给我这么一个好的机会,让我与大家坐在一起沟通,与社会各界朋友一起沟通,对我来说也是一种激励。我为什么这么说?我是一个不仅感染了HIV病毒,我还有其他的病,现在我已经是肝癌晚期了。一直在吃着麻醉的药物,我现在每天要吃的药是75片,连胶囊和药片加在一起(编者注:丹丹吃的药物中除了抗艾滋病毒的药物以外还有很大部分是抵御癌症的药物)。

 
 
如果刨去我可以报销的那一块,我自己还要支付每个月1200元,对我来说在经济上面也是一个很大的压力。我现在想去工作,或者说我不告诉别人我是感染者,我去工作,哪怕去扫大街,我已经没有那个工作能力了,体力上我已经跟不上了。第一,感染者这一块,宣传艾滋病的工作,不管是大使也好,还是我们在座的朋友也好,还是我自己也好,特别是像我说的,咱们在这方面宣传得越多,老百姓在这方面懂得的知识也就越来越多,他们懂得多,就不再害怕感染者,也就没有恶性循环了。尤其在阳性预防这一块,很多朋友在不知情的情况下被感染了。

  周柳建成:你说每天你吃75片药。你看那个75,感觉什么?是有压力,肯定很困难的?

  洪丹丹:我每次要分三顿吃,我吃完饭以后都排好了,半个小时吃一次,我时间好象都放在吃药上。

  周柳建成:如果你出去工作、出去看朋友,你放在你的包里面是吗?

  洪丹丹:对。

  主持人:刚才来演播室的时候还在吃药。

  周柳建成:你的朋友也问你吗?你为什么吃药?

  洪丹丹:也有朋友不知道我得这个病的,我告诉他们,我吃的是维C,营养药,我不可能告诉他我吃的是抗病毒药。

  周柳建成:每个月是多少钱?

  洪丹丹:抗病毒药不需要花钱的,国家免费发放,治疗其他病的药需要花钱。

  周柳建成:你每个月买药付多少钱?

  洪丹丹:2400块钱,不算小毛病,是真正的病。国家报销50%,我自己还要支付1200。

  周柳建成:国家领导在这方面也在努力,虽然现在还有问题,但是也在努力做。国家领导人对艾滋病,第一个是很关注,第二个是很用心。

  主持人:这次你去印度尼西亚刚刚参加完会议回来,这次大会上有没有听到一些好的想法或者是成果,你觉得可以运用在中国对抗艾滋病的防治和歧视这一块?

  周柳建成:首先我要告诉大家我去印度尼西亚巴厘岛不是旅游。虽然我们在海边开会,但是我没有一次去海边。在巴厘岛,有很多代表,非常多非常有名的人,像濮存昕。他们是明星人,我是亲善大使,所以我问一个感染者的朋友,他说我看濮存昕,或者看你们中央台的主持人,我觉得他们不是普通人,他觉得你不普通,觉得你有文化,你是代表一个国家的电视。他觉得如果你说的艾滋病,帮HIV、帮感染者,那么我相信你。所以你看濮存昕非常帅,明星人物也是一样的意思。我和濮存昕是一样的,我们自己感觉我们是很普通的人,但是别人看我们,我们是一个主持人,一个明星,觉得你不普通,他会相信你。

  主持人:我们目前正在进行一项艾滋病反歧视的创意大赛,疾控中心和搜狐公益共同在做的项目。一方面是为了向公众宣传艾滋病反歧视,另一方面,我们也想征集到好的创意,来更好的宣传和更好的告诉大家艾滋病的常识。目前已经有很多网友创作了动画、海报这些作品,我们知道建成学过钢琴,是艺术家。丹丹也经常参加艺术团体的活动。假如说两位参加这个活动,你们有什么好的主意吗?你们想做出什么样创意的作品?

  洪丹丹:我根据我个人的能力,一是有可能把我自己的经历写成文字,奉献给大家,还有一个,有可能比较精干一点的短剧奉献给大家。

  周柳建成:你给我邀请,我肯定来。如果有哪个活动,我觉得是很特别的,搜狐是很好的公司,希望能够和你们合作。谢谢你们,如果你们让小孩子写艾滋病,他就明白,为什么艾滋病很重要,为什么感染者是很特别的,所以今天我穿的,这个是联合国的徽章,我穿这个衣服,这个衣服不是主持人穿的。这上面写的意思是我们不喜欢HIV病毒,但是我特别爱感染者。因为HIV艾滋病不是黑白的问题,有很多问题,是很有颜色、很亮的。我知道丹丹受到歧视感觉心里不舒服,但是我们有很多的希望。我觉得艾滋病并不是一个人,是我们大家一起努力。

  主持人:时间过得很快,这次访谈就要结束了。再次感谢几位嘉宾做客搜狐公益。虽然访谈结束了,但是摆在大家面前反艾滋病歧视的工作才刚刚开始。谢谢大家!

  周柳建成:谢谢。

  洪丹丹:谢谢。

UNAIDS Goodwill Ambassador Zhou Liu of China completed the interview
At 14:44 on August 19, 2009
Source: Sohu public

 
 
 
 
UNAIDS Goodwill Ambassador Zhou Liu of China completed the interview


 
 
UNAIDS Goodwill Ambassador Zhou Liu of China built a guest Sohu public


Moderator: Good evening my friends, welcome to Sohu public talk show guests, guests of our interview today, a guest room, three guests, one was just appointed as the United Nations Goodwill Ambassador for UNAIDS China, completed the weekly Mr. Liu, who at the same time CCTV9 is host.
 

Zhou Liu completed: Good.

Moderator: The United Nations AIDS Program, Assistant Project Officer Miss Li Qi.

Li Qi: Good.

Moderator: Another fight AIDS has been with the decade-long洪丹丹President, as a result of the current discrimination against AIDS is also widespread, so today will not face the camera Dandan, Dandan as everyone say hello to fight it.

洪丹丹: Good.

Have been several efforts to eliminate discrimination against AIDS. Completion of the first to ask, when AIDS began to pay attention?

Liu completed weeks: First of all I am very grateful for giving us this opportunity Sohu. I am concerned about AIDS a few years ago when I was a reporter, as a result of reasons, to participate in the SARS report, followed by reports of avian flu, following reports of AIDS, these types of disease, a common feature of is that it involves a lot of common in our society at large. Our people's concern, so I started to disease concerns. Before AIDS there are many other diseases, cancer, tuberculosis of these diseases, people are very afraid of the disease, fear of disease to death, but AIDS is different, in addition to the disease itself brings physical pain, was it considered a dirty disease, which is holding very strong sense of humiliation. These make me deeply feel that what I must do something, but I am not a doctor, not a researcher, I can not provide treatment, the vaccine can not be done, but I have my strengths, that is, I can convey information to the people, and I know messages to everyone, so that a better understanding.

Moderator: Dandan after HIV infection, there was a period of time world-weary, despair. What are the reasons you need to be other people from those who care into other care of them AIDS?

洪丹丹: I was later found infected with AIDS was not only the world-weary, but also lost faith in life. Locked himself in a small house, that is the mentality of waiting to die. Later, through the so-called grass-roots group, NGO Group for the first time to give me a call, let me join the various activities in these activities, I saw the other infected people have a good mentality. I see in them a special sunshine, positive psychology. Since then, I have slowly entered the NGO group. Because, after all, is someone to save me, I can, I think that other people in the most desperate to save from the edge of a cliff, I can to help the other infected persons. And then participated in the NGO group on some of the activities, and eventually became the backbone. Become the backbone of the future, I began to care about other infected persons, for example, to do something positive for the prevention of work to do some visits, care, follow-up of these infected people, as I am just beginning to be infected with the mentality, if they are such a friend I will use various methods to communicate with them. Since I participate in these groups, I also want to infection displayed a good attitude to society, because many people are not very understanding of this piece, also took part in our local volunteers and infected by the art of composition Mission. Our scope is to campus, authorities there, the community there, I think the purpose is to know I can give you, so that they truly understand our ways and AIDS-infected people to a better attitude display for everyone.

Moderator: built in Beijing for six years has been living?
 
Zhou Yu was built in a guest Sohu AIDS charity



Liu completed weeks: there are in Hong Kong and China a total of nine, a decade.

Moderator: What do you before the way through to understand China's AIDS situation?

Liu completed weeks: I know you think I am a foreigner, I was born in the UK, I also grew up in the United Kingdom. But I feel that they are Chinese, so I do not think I am a foreigner living in China. Now I am a moderator, before I was a reporter, so I tend to go out, or know a lot of people understand that if I am not a journalist, a lot of things I do not know.
 
Like you, I work in the media, the opportunity to learn about many things. There are a host of others I had the opportunity to interview. For example, there is a very famous person, I would like to see him, I may have to be ready to call him, with him. Therefore, the case for AIDS, you are in the studio every day throughout the information received, you will certainly understand. Second, one or two years ago, many children from Henan, Hunan, Hubei, came to Beijing, my friend took them to Beijing tourism, at first I do not know these children have AIDS, or his parents have AIDS, we do not ask him . But my friends know, because he infected people like us. They are children, we eat with him, play with him, needless to say. However, I know.

Moderator: In your impression, do you think China's AIDS-infected people who face the biggest problem is what?

Liu completed weeks: China and other countries, AIDS has a lot of problems. But I think the biggest problem is discrimination. If you feel bad, you see a doctor, you do collect HIV virus, the doctor told me that I am sorry, sir, or Mrs. or Miss, you have AIDS, you have HIV. I feel sure that you are particularly afraid of. But I do not know which individuals are not the same, after a few days, few months later, after a few years, feel a little better because the doctor told you that you can eat some drugs can have a lot of support. It is the first question. But, I think that is relatively small, the biggest problem in the world, but also China, is discrimination. Because you know you have HIV, you are especially afraid of, why are you afraid of? Because you are afraid of your parents, your colleagues, your students know that after the discrimination against you, we at the United Nations, many of our friends all know that such examples can tell us Dandan.

Moderator: Dan-Dan, said that he built that is the biggest problem of discrimination, do you think so?

洪丹丹: I think that this piece of discrimination, I do too. Because I myself have been discriminated against by. Once at the hospital, my family took me to hospital. To the hospital later, we were too nice to see half of the time, we see a doctor out of the house, family members say you can wait a bit longer, I get to say a few words with the doctor. Do not know what they say, after the family, it tells me that we go, they do not give us to see here. I said how do you say to them? He said I told them you are AIDS, then they are not to read.

Moderator: You were looking at other disease?

洪丹丹: Yes, I was looking at a cold or other minor illnesses, not necessarily to go to hospital to see patients. I have just diagnosed with AIDS, I do not want the family to accept me at home, it is now accepted by me. Because I said, and others to promote, they have accepted. At that time, I am still discrimination, and I am eating a bowl of all, sub-chopsticks, drinking glasses of water I have to read the word of Dandan. This is my first-hand encounter. I know that's true also, that they are indeed human. I have a friend who is also infected, and his eyes were in the Spring when the firecrackers exploded in Beijing Tongren Hospital is not simply to look at, has been dragged on for more than a month after the eye treatment really, the last of the eye is blind, removed. In a hospital which is also one of my friends, is also an infection, she is a woman infected. She was hospitalized in this hospital, the doctor said, it is AIDS, you have to go to the toilet outside the toilet, do not use the toilet building. So I think a lot of this discrimination. This is what I know and I have experienced. Up to now with my son I dare not say that I am infected with AIDS. I can not imagine my son knows I have AIDS, he able to cope with these psychological pressure. If he can not afford one day, I fear, for example, if the pressures of the human spirit over, he may be, whether it is his object, his good friend, he trusted the people that say, these people left him , my son will be isolated. Therefore, I feel that this piece of discrimination in China, I understand it all too well. I am not the one to complain about the discrimination these people can only say that the people of knowledge about AIDS was not enough.

Moderator: Dandan completed encountered, how these things?

Liu completed weeks: others can not see now, but I can see Dandan, I see your face, I would like to tell you that you are very beautiful, you are very educated, you dress so nice. You are a mother, you have a child. So, like us, for example, the doctor that he did not see Dandan, he saw the AIDS. However, in the studio I now, I do not see that you have AIDS, I see you. I would like to say special thanks to you. Because I know you is not easy, not simple. I would particularly like, I do not know after a year or ten years, we re-recorded a show, I interview you, we interviewed you. You have the courage, you are not afraid of people to see your face, I is not afraid of you, Why do I have to be afraid of you? What I do not fear. After eating out if you want to, I will treat you to dinner. Sit a plate can also be a set of chopsticks, no problem, a glass of water. The most important problem is not with a meal or drink together, the most important question is whether we can be friends. Friends, after dinner. Six cities in China, the United Nations conducted a survey, many people do not want to work together with the infected food, drink together, live together. Also, do not work together, if the infection is the barber, not to his barber. If I can, you can be. This need not be afraid. So thank you, I know that is not easy, you do not cry, and we are now in your next, you have our phone calls, we can contact.

Moderator: We asked a lighter topic. Completion of the Planning Department as a Goodwill Ambassador for the United Nations, give us your primary responsibility is?
 
Built at the same time host of CCTV-9



Liu completed weeks: I would like to help Dandan to help infected people.

Moderator: In what form?

Liu completed weeks: I tell you, working together with friends in the media, in particular, with Sohu, you are the first network to give us support, so special thanks. To tell the people that need to be afraid of HIV, but you do not need to be afraid of infection. This is a separate issue, which is two meanings. I am a moderator, I have to write to the newspapers and, if so, I will each week, each manuscript is written inside. I used all my resources and capabilities, including television, including me in writing to the newspapers of the time, can not always tell the audience the majority of our community friends and my readers, do not be afraid of AIDS, do not be afraid of HIV-infected persons .
 
If we do not have HIV infection, we should for ourselves, for others the responsibility to take precautionary safety measures, we should take precautions. For example, condom use, sexual intercourse, whether heterosexual or homosexual sexual intercourse or oral sex should use condoms as a protection, it is our own in society, responsibility to others. If there is such a dangerous act, or failed to take protective measures should be timely to detect the state of their own bodies. To timely correct their behavior, the use of security measures. If found out as soon as it is infected, but also for themselves to do something for themselves what doctors look for active help, to find the consultation, it is important that the infected persons and to establish other mutual support to see if they have experienced some of the living conditions of, this is for their great encouragement. We do not know, but had the disease, and then meet other people experiencing the same, we will gradually learn. I use the television programs, as well as my newspaper, as well as my FACEBOOK, there are happy net, so I know the importance of Sohu. We all know that Sohu, so that we can cooperate. The annual December 1 is World AIDS Day, but not on December 1, AIDS Day every day because 6700 people died every day, and every day around the world 75,000 new infections. Therefore, I do not want to quote too many figures, because the number of people, 6700 people, 6700 children, men, ladies, they are mother, father, child, sister, brother, you want this, you do not see that number, You look at individuals. Goodwill Ambassador, I am now, I can go to many places in the future, in Beijing, I have to go to India, Norway, the United States, Indonesia, Vietnam look infected. So I hope I can do the same in China, with the cooperation Dandan, I have a problem, if you have problems, you can call me, because I think you are very special, is my new friend.

Moderator: Dandan from your own experience, the completion of the work of any suggestions?

洪丹丹: I personally think that the earlier we mentioned that a piece of discrimination, we do so when the publicity should not be only 6.26 to 12.1 World Day against Drug Abuse and AIDS Day, as propaganda, it should usually let the world know that our mode of transmission of AIDS, so that all people are aware of AIDS is on your side. I also own the creation of a hotline to answer and so the areas of psychological support hotline. 15210129433,洪丹丹. I hope that in future some of my friends have this problem in the face of discrimination, or is experiencing psychological or unpleasant things, everything can be happy to give me a call to share.

Liu completed weeks: you can call me.

Moderator: This question is asked Li Qi, and you built in the appointment of Goodwill Ambassador for the time, is not taking into account his host, media background?

Li: This is certain, we feel that his own good work, the ability of speech. AIDS knowledge and information we have heard a number, we regard it as a medical knowledge to learn the same. But now, in the face of so many young people, in the face of the publicity work of adults, we need to have a more interactive way and need to have more affinity to our Goodwill Ambassador for the completion of this work, because we know if the doctor explain this, it is inevitable that it will put abstruse difficult to understand that we need them and the general public from those who are more friendly to convey this information. We are also the special needs of those of us infected with friends, because they have experienced all the life of all, let them tell their stories. About the audience for each run, the elimination of the minds of a misunderstanding or a deep-rooted memories of a chance error. Few people may have said that the audience may not hear on Dandan today when infected people do not even know where, or infected people in China think that is just a number.

Liu completed weeks: our friends do not see Dandan now, but the three of us, you know who has AIDS? May you have may I have, you do not know.

Li: This is a very important message, we say that we infected the minds of the impression that they are a long time ago on television from a number of screen shots, and we left the impression that these images allow us to wear a colored glasses to see some of us infected with friends, but to wear tinted glasses when we distinguish between them, those infected with friends sometimes do not take the initiative to tell you that I am an infected person. This created a vicious circle, we have more discrimination against infected people, infected people will not come out more. The more infected people do not go out of the public misconceptions about AIDS will be deeper. Therefore, we especially like to thank many of the infected persons, they have overcome a lot of pressure to get out of the brave, so that a vicious cycle of open slowly.

Zhou Liu completed: Li Qi said that I was the first in mainland China Goodwill Ambassador. So I feel it is an honor. But the most important thing, I think the United Nations is very good, give us a lot of support. However, if our friends in the media do not give us the platform out. I know it is very important Sohu, the website of the people all know, he believed that the brand you, that is why we can say that in your studio, I think is the best. We are going out now so very important. All know that this move by the United Nations. You can say I am a Goodwill Ambassador, but I am a representative of the people, this is the most important, I am the representative of Dandan is Dandan friends.

Moderator: This is the public closer to us, rather than preaching the form above.

Liu completed weeks: Yes.

Moderator: Dan-Dan What do you think? A host of China Central Television, one can often see on television people. His active participation in anti-AIDS activities. For you it will be an incentive?
 
Liu completed weeks and UNAIDS to participate in interviews with Li Qi



洪丹丹: I think there should be. Although he said I do not understand English. But I think the publicity of this piece is very important.

Liu completed weeks: you can help me learn Chinese?

洪丹丹: Yes. Sohu network, this time to give me such a good opportunity for me to sit together with you to communicate with the community to communicate with friends, for me is a kind of incentive. Why do I say so? I am a not only infected with the HIV virus, I have other patients, I now have is a late liver cancer. Has been eating narcotic drugs, I eat every day, the drug is 75, even the capsules and tablets together (Editor's Note: Dandan eat in addition to the drug anti-HIV drugs, there is still a majority of outside cancer drug resistance).
 
If I can dig out that a reimbursement, I have had to pay 1,200 yuan a month, on top of me in the economy is also a lot of pressure. I now want to go to work, or I do not tell others that I was infected, I went to work, even to sweep the streets, I have not the ability to work, and physically can not keep up I have a. First, this piece of infected people, AIDS advocacy work, whether or Ambassador, or we have friends here, or, or or my own, especially as I said, our advocacy in this area the more people In this context the knowledge to understand it more and more, they know more, it no longer afraid of infection, there is no vicious circle of the. In particular, the prevention of this in a positive, many of my friends unknowingly have been infected.

Liu completed weeks: You said that you eat 75 a day drug. You see that 75, feeling what? Pressure is certainly very difficult?

洪丹丹: Every time I am going to eat three meals, I have row after meal Well, half an hour to eat, I seem to have time on the medication.

Liu completed weeks: If you work out, go out to see friends, are you on the inside of your package is not it?

洪丹丹: Yes.

Moderator: Just now, to still take the time studio.

Liu completed weeks: Your friend has asked you? Why do you take?

洪丹丹: have a friend do not know if I have this disease, I told them, I ate the Victoria C, nutritional medicine, I can not tell him that I ate antiviral drugs.

Liu completed week: How much per month?

洪丹丹: anti-viral drugs do not need to spend money, the state distributed free of charge, the treatment of other diseases need to spend money on drugs.

Liu completed weeks: You how much money each month to pay for medicine?

洪丹丹: 2400 money, not small problems, is a real disease. State reimbursement of 50%, I would also like to pay for 1200.

Liu completed weeks: country-led efforts in this regard also, although there are still problems, but also efforts to do so. National leaders of the AIDS, the first is very concerned about this, the second is very hard.

Moderator: The Indonesia you back just attending the meeting, the General Assembly has not heard some good ideas or results, do you think can be used in China to combat AIDS and discrimination in this piece?

Liu completed weeks: First of all I would like to tell you I went to Bali, Indonesia is not a tourist. Although we meet at the seaside, but I do not have time to coast. In Bali, there are many representatives of many famous people, such as Pu Cunxin. They are the star, I is Goodwill Ambassador, so I asked a friend of infection, he said Pu Cunxin I do, or do you host of CCTV, I think they are not ordinary people, he felt that the general you do not feel that you have culture, you are the representative of a country's television. He felt that if you say AIDS, help HIV, to help infected people, then I believe you. So you see very Shuai Pu Cunxin, star figure is the same meaning. Pu Cunxin and I are the same, we feel we are very ordinary people, but others see us, we are a host, a star, you do not feel that the general, he will believe you.

Moderator: We are currently engaged in a contest of creative anti-AIDS, CDC, and Sohu are doing public service projects together. On the one hand, to inform the public about AIDS to the anti-discrimination, on the other hand, we would also like to collect the good ideas, to better information and better knowledge of AIDS to tell you. Users have already created a lot of animation, posters, these works, we know that completed studied piano, an artist. Dandan also regularly participates in the activities of arts organizations. If the two to participate in the activities you have any good idea? What you want to make a creative work?

洪丹丹: In accordance with my own ability, one is likely to experience my own written words, dedicated to you, there is one, it is possible that relatively small but dedicated to all the drama.

Liu completed weeks: I would like to invite you, I am sure to come. If there is any activity, I think it is very special, Sohu is a very good company, hope to be able to cooperate with you. Thank you, if you allow a child to write AIDS, he would understand why AIDS is very important, why the infection is very special, so I wear the badge of the United Nations, I wear the clothes, the clothes are not host wear. This was the meaning of the above is that we do not like the HIV virus, but I especially love those infected. HIV AIDS is not as black and white issue, there are many problems, the color is very, very bright. I know that feeling of being discriminated against Dandan was uncomfortable, but we have a lot of hope. I think that AIDS is not a person that we all work together.

Moderator: Time flies, the interview come to an end. Thanks again for a few guests visit Sohu public. Although the interview is over, but in front of us before the anti-AIDS discrimination in the work has just begun. Thank you!

Liu completed weeks: Thank you.

洪丹丹: Thank you.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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