入围第61届柏林电影全景单元的唯一一部华语影片《在一起》2月14日首映，电影中不断探讨我们对待艾滋病感染者的态度不应该因为他是通过什么途径感染而不同，导演表示“谁都是无辜的，因为这是一种疾病，不要附加这样一个罪名给他们。”
视频：《在一起》导演赵亮接受网易娱乐专访。
《在一起》柏林上映，网易娱乐专访导演赵亮。
网易娱乐2月15日报道 入围第61届柏林电影全景单元的唯一一部华语影片《在一起》2月14日首映，作为一部没有明星参加的纪录片依然吸引了许多观众到场观看，近乎全满的影院在电影结束之后甚至没有观众离席，直到导演赵亮出来和观众见面时才响起了此起彼伏的掌声，赵亮对于这样一部反应西方已经过去的艾滋病问题的电影依然能得到观众支持表示非常欣慰。
纪录片《在一起》由《魔术外传》导演顾长卫任总导演，赵亮执导制作，真实记录了从《魔术外传》筹备初期开始，剧组通过网络聊天，全国寻访，征集选定感染者进入剧组参与拍摄的全过程。为了保护感染者的隐私，在整个记录过程中，许多未露面或经过遮挡的感染者通过聊天记录或口述的方式，讲述了自己的感染经历和生活现状，以及遇到的种种困扰。最终有三名感染者红丝带小学的刘老师、在寺庙生活的老夏和因母婴感染而在红丝带小学治疗学习的胡泽涛参与了电影拍摄，并在拍摄过程中，自愿去除遮挡，成为反歧视宣传的志愿者。对于他们的牺牲，导演表示非常感谢，也是因为剧组的工作人员对他们的态度让他们看到了希望，他们也能坦然面对镜头面对社会。
电影中不断探讨我们对待艾滋病感染者的态度不应该因为他是通过什么途径感染而不同，导演表示“一直都不认为应该用有辜或是无辜来表达这样一个事情，我觉得是不正确的。谁都是无辜的，因为这是一种疾病，不要附加这样一个罪名给他们，刘老师也经常说他们不是罪人就是一个病人，不管什么途径。”
而和艾滋病感染者一起生活和工作的剧组工作人员又是如何克服心理距离呢，导演坦言“所谓的歧视在我看来大多数人都是因为对常识的不了解，他害怕他就会拒人于千里之外。当你了解了这个常识以后，人可能还是对这个疾病有一些心理的抗拒，但是通过剧组他们在一起工作一起生活，他们觉得也是这么漂亮这么好的人，也是好的朋友，你不用说教不用什么这种隔阂就自然而然就消失了就融合到了一起。”
网易娱乐：顾长卫导演怎么找到您来导演《在一起》这部纪录片的？
赵亮：我们是2008年香港国际电影节的时候认识的，一直都有一些接触，他也看过我一些早期的影片，觉得我还是比较适合做这个事情。
网易娱乐：《在一起》刚刚放映结束，好多西方观众都落泪了，这个反应是您预期的吗？
赵亮：我觉得每个人的泪点不一样，当然感情这个东西是每个人都会有的，当你诉说的东西真的和人性接触的话，这种碰撞是感情的结果，是正常的。
网易娱乐：《在一起》的海报上老夏、刘老师和胡泽涛在一起的场景，当时为什么选择这个画面作为海报？
赵亮：这是必然也是偶然，其实我在拍摄的时候才发现其实他们三个人像一家人，但实际上是三家人凑到一起，我觉得这好像是一种隐喻一样，尤其片名叫“在一起”，我们都是一家人，我们要肩并肩一起携手共度难关解决问题解决生活的困境。尤其我们拍桃花那一场的时候，更把一种家庭的感觉表现出来，因为家庭是一种有凝聚力的东西，尤其是我们“在一起”的片名让我们觉得是一种有亲情温暖的感觉。
网易娱乐：电影里，刘老师一直说艾滋病感染者都很无辜，但另一位老夏就觉得感染上艾滋病是对他的惩罚，您个人对艾滋病感染者是怎么看待的呢？
赵亮：我觉得对于感染者不要因为他的通过什么途径感染的，谁是无辜还是有辜，像影片里刘老师说的艾滋病感染者都是无辜的。如果你是男男同性恋，同性恋也没有错误，也是天生，不应该因为你是同性恋就附加一个艾滋病给你，所以我一直都不认为应该用有辜或是无辜来表达这样一个事情，我觉得是不正确的。谁都是无辜的，因为这是一种疾病，像隐形天使（片中一位只通过网络联系的艾滋病感染者）说的所有人都是无辜的，不要附加这样一个罪名给他们，刘老师也经常说他们不是罪人就是一个病人，不管什么途径。
网易娱乐：电影最后您选择一段艾滋病感染者在街上寻求拥抱的戏，是想表达现在社会对艾滋病感染者更加宽容了吗？
赵亮：刘九龙他是我们很早选择的这样一个主人公，去年的12月1日艾滋病日的时候，他告诉我他要做一个行为艺术“寻找拥抱”，我就拍了这样一个纪实的状况。其实我觉得这个是一个特别偶然的能反映中国艾滋病现状的一个镜头，非常幸运能捕捉到这样一个瞬间，路人在来来往往的走，艾滋病人他站在这，各种人的表现，我觉得是反映了社会的现状的镜头。
网易娱乐：您觉得拍摄这部电影中最大的困难是什么？
赵亮：其实对我来说最大的困难是让感染者能放开，让他们能进入我的纪录片或进入剧组，实际上这个寻找的过程非常辛苦，很幸运最后有刘老师有老夏有胡泽涛他们放弃遮挡，可以坦然面对社会，公布自己的身份。
网易娱乐：从这个项目启动到找到这些演员总共花了多长时间？
赵亮：找到刘老师就找到红丝带小学就找到了胡泽涛，寻人的过程也是边寻找边拍摄，我们聊一聊天，如果有人同意，我们马上就去到那边马上就开始拍摄，这个过程大约有四个月左右吧。
网易娱乐：您是怎么说服这些感染者不用遮挡面对镜头呢？
赵亮：我没有说服任何人，我觉得是因为他们到了剧组以后感受到了这个氛围，因为剧组的人对他们的态度让他们看到了这样的一个希望，他们也能坦然面对镜头面对社会。像老夏说的如果能用这张脸换来艾滋病感染者好的境况的话，他宁可牺牲自己。
网易娱乐：之后会不会担心他们因为曝光而被社会被周围的人知道了艾滋病感染者的身份，对生活造成影响？
赵亮：所以这个对我们来说也是一个困境，因为艾滋病感染者在中国的现状并不会因为这样影片的宣传而改善，因为被看到比较少也不会起多大的作用，希望以后会让更多的人看到，希望能改善这样一个状况。但是像老夏因为他人特别好，他有很多朋友，他也在做一些心理干预的工作，去帮助病人或是感染者朋友，照顾他们。可是当他在电视上公开身份以后，他好多朋友不敢接触他，和他接触的人会害怕别人认出来，也有这样的困境。
网易娱乐：现在中国社会对待艾滋病感染者更多的是不理解、不敢靠近他们，对于这样的现状您是怎么看待的呢？
赵亮：我们这个纪录片就像一个行为艺术一样把感染者介入到现实生活中去，其实像一个梦、一个幻觉一样。让感染者介入剧组我们初衷是为了我们的一个期许，像我们有一个广告语“我们有一个美丽的期许，这是顾长卫导演想出来的，为了艾滋病这个事业，实际上我们每个人都有自己的责任。我们希望通过这样一个行为艺术，能改善艾滋病的一个现状。
网易娱乐：这些艾滋病感染者进入剧组之后，工作人员在心理有没有一些抵触，花了多长时间怎么改变的？
赵亮：因为有时候人对疾病是有一个抗拒心理，所谓的歧视在我看来大多数人都是因为对常识的不了解，他害怕他就会拒人于千里之外。当你了解了这个常识以后，人可能还是对这个疾病有一些心理的抗拒，但是通过剧组他们在一起工作一起生活，他们觉得也是这么漂亮这么好的人，也是好的朋友，你不用说教不用什么这种隔阂就自然而然就消失了就融合到了一起。
网易娱乐：这次带着《在一起》来柏林您觉得最大的收获是什么？
赵亮：我觉得最欣慰的是对我们来说原来的初衷是这个是个比较本土化的影片，因为在西方这样对待艾滋病的历史时期已经过去了，他们可能会觉得这个已经不是个问题，他们可能觉得没有必要去看，结果没想到有那么多人，他们也有那样热烈的掌声，这个是让我比较欣慰，其实真正的情感是不分国界的。
网易娱乐：《在一起》有计划在国内大规模的公开上映吗？
赵亮：这个我们所有包括顾导演，我们一起策划这个就是希望能让更多的人看到，我们也会尽量去努力，比如说政府能推动这样的事情，让更多的人去看到这样的影片，我详细看到的人会改变对艾滋病最初的看法，进而改善艾滋病感染者的困境吧。
(本文来源：网易娱乐专稿 作者：文/唐三彩 摄影/663)
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Interview "with" director Zhao Liang: AIDS is not a sinner
2011-02-15 08:29:10 Source: Netease Entertainment Zhuangao
Shortlisted Panorama 61st Berlin Film unit only a Chinese film "Together" on Feb. 14 premiere, the movie continue to explore our attitudes towards people living with HIV should not be because he is different from infection by what means, the director said "who are innocent, because it is a disease, do not add such a charge to them."
Video: "together" director Zhao Liang accepted Netease Entertainment interview.
"Together" exhibition in Berlin, Netease Entertainment interview the director Zhao Liang.
Netease Entertainment Feb. 15 report nominated the 61st Berlin Film Panorama only a Chinese film "Together" premiere on February 14 as a star to participate in the documentary is still not attracted many viewers to watch, almost All over the theater after the movie the audience did not even leave until the director Zhao Liang out and meet the audience when applause rang out one after another, Cho has been for such a response to Western films over the AIDS audiences can still be said very pleased.
Documentary film "Together" by the "magic outsiders" appointed director general director Gu Wei, Zhao Liang directed production, the real record from the "Magic outsiders" since the early preparations, the crew via Web chat, searching the country to solicit participation in the selected infection into the crew filming the entire process. To protect the privacy of infected persons in the entire recording process, many did not show occlusion of the infected person or through chat or oral by the way, spoke about his life experiences and status of infection, and problems encountered. Three of the final primary infection of the Red Ribbon Liu, the old life in the temple because of maternal infection in the summer and the red ribbon in the primary treatment of learning Huze Tao involved in filming, and in the filming process, the voluntary removal of occlusion, become a volunteer anti-discrimination advocacy. For their sacrifice, the director said he was very grateful, but also because the work crew staff's attitude towards them so that they see hope, they can calmly face the camera face the community.
We continue to explore the film's attitude towards people living with HIV should not be because he was infected through what channels and different, the director said "there has not been innocent or that the innocent should be used to express such a thing, I think is not correct. who are innocent, because it is a disease, do not add such a charge to them, Liu said that they are often not the sinner is a patient, no matter what the means. "
And living with HIV and AIDS and the work the crew is then how to overcome the psychological distance, the director admits to "the so-called discrimination is, in my opinion because most people do not understand common sense, he is afraid he will to resist thousands of miles away. When you understand this sense then, this disease may still have some psychological resistance, but by the crew they work together, live together, they think it is so beautiful such good people, but also good friends, do not preach what you do not have this gap to disappear naturally came together on the integration. "
Netease Entertainment: Gu Wei how to find your director to director "with" this documentary?
Cho: We are the Hong Kong International Film Festival in 2008 when the know, there have been some contacts, he has seen some of my earlier videos, I feel it is quite suitable for this thing.
Netease Entertainment: "together" just show ended, many Western audience to tears, this reaction is you expect it?
Cho: I think the tears of everyone not the same, of course, is everyone feeling this thing will be there, when you say something really and human contact, then the result of this collision is feeling is normal.
Netease Entertainment: "Together" poster on the old summer, Liu and Hu Zetao scene together, then why choose this picture as a poster?
Zhao Liang: This is certainly also a chance, in fact, when I discovered that in fact shot three of them like family, but is actually three families get together, I think this is like a metaphor, like, in particular film called "The together ", we are one family, we have to tide over the difficulties to solve the problem side by side, hand in hand with solving the difficulties of life. In particular, we took a peach that is even more to show it a sense of family because the family is a cohesive thing, especially when we are "together" in the title so that we feel is a kind of warm affection feeling.
Netease Entertainment: movies, Liu said that AIDS has been very innocent, but another old infected with AIDS in the summer to think his punishment is that you personally look at how AIDS is it?
Cho: I think the infection not because he was infected through what channels, and who is innocent or a Ku, Liu said, as the film's AIDS are innocent. If you are a male gay, gay and no errors, but also natural, because you are gay should not be attached to an AIDS for you, so I do not think that should have been innocent or innocent to express such a thing, I think it is not correct. Who are innocent, because it is a disease, like the invisible angel (the film only through the network connection, a HIV-infected persons) said all men are innocent, do not add such a charge to them, Liu also often say they are not sinners is a patient, no matter what way.
Netease Entertainment: Movies last section of your choice for people living with HIV in the streets to embrace the show, is to express society is now more tolerant of AIDS yet?
Zhao Liang: Liu Jiulong he is our early choice of such a hero, last year's AIDS Day on Dec. 1, he told me he had to do a performance art "look to embrace," I shot a documentary on the situation. In fact, I think this is a special chance to reflect the current situation of AIDS in China, a lens, very lucky to capture such a moment, pedestrians walking in the coming and going, people with AIDS, he was standing, the performance of all kinds of people, I think reflects the social status of the lens.
Netease Entertainment: Do you think this film the greatest difficulties are?
Zhao Liang: In fact, the greatest difficulty for me is to get infected to open up, so that they can enter or access my documentary crew, in fact, this search process is very hard, very lucky to finally have summer Liu old and they have Huze Tao give up the block, you can calmly face social, publish their own identity.
Netease Entertainment: From the project start to find the actor spent a total of how long?
Zhao Liang: Liu found to find school to find a Red Ribbon Huze Tao, tracing the process is to find edge edge, and we'll chat days, if someone agrees, we will come to the other side immediately started filming, about the process four months or so.
Netease Entertainment: how did you convince these infections do not block the front of the camera?
Cho: I did not convince anyone, I think it is because they came to feel this atmosphere after the crew because the crew of people's attitude towards them so that they see such a hope, they can calmly face the camera face the community. Like the old saying if they can use this summer in exchange for people living with HIV face a good situation, he would rather sacrifice himself.
Netease Entertainment: After the exposure will not be worried about them because society is the people around know the identity of people living with HIV, the impact of life?
Cho: So this is a dilemma for us because the AIDS situation in China, not because of this propaganda film to improve, because they are seen much less and will not play the role of hope will be more and more people see the hope of improving such a situation. But like the old people are particularly good in summer because he has many friends, he is also doing some work of psychological interventions to help patients or infected with friends, take care of them. But when he, after being on television, he did not dare touch him a lot of friends, and his contact with people who will be afraid to be recognized, also has such a predicament.
Netease Entertainment: Chinese society is now more of AIDS treatment is not understood, not close them, for such a situation how you see it?
Cho: We are like a performance art in this documentary as the infected person to intervene in real life, in fact, like a dream, an illusion the same. To infection involved the crew that we exist primarily to one of our expectations, as we have a slogan "We have a beautiful expectations, it is Gu Wei director came up to AIDS in this cause, in fact, each of us has his own responsibility. We hope that such a performance art, one can improve the situation of AIDS.
Netease Entertainment: These people living with HIV into the crew, the staff there are any psychological conflict, how long it took to change?
Zhao Liang: because sometimes people have a resistance to disease, the so-called discrimination is, in my opinion because most people do not understand common sense, he was afraid he would 拒人于千里之外. When you understand this sense then, this disease may still have some psychological resistance, but by the crew they work together, live together, they think it is so beautiful such good people, but also good friends, do not preach what you do not this gap to disappear naturally to integration into together.
Netease Entertainment: this time with "together" to Berlin, the biggest gain you think what?
Cho: I think the most gratifying is that the original intention for us is that this is a relatively localized in the film, because the way to treat AIDS in the Western historical period has passed, they may think that this is not a problem, they may feel there is no need to see, the results did not expect so many people, they also have that warm applause, this is so I am more pleased, in fact, genuine emotion knows no boundaries.
Netease Entertainment: "together" in a planned large-scale public exhibition in the country it?
Zhao Liang: The care of all of us, including the director, we were planning this is to make more people want to see that we will try to work hard, like the Government to promote such a thing, to allow more people to see this film, I saw more people will change the initial view of AIDS, thereby improving the plight of AIDS now.
(This article Source: Netease Entertainment Zhuangao of: text / Tang Dynasty Photography / 663)
